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Well, hello everyone and welcome to the Slow Twitch podcast.

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My name is Kevin McKinnon.

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I'm here with Eric Nguyen from Slow Twitch and we have a very special guest today from
Poland Bartosz Kasprzycz.

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I have, I'm sure I butchered that last name, but Bartosz is such a nice guy.

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He just goes with everything and just keeps saying, yeah, you got it, Kevin, got it.

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Bartosz, it's so nice to have you with us.

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Thank you for inviting me here.

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It's an honor to be here with the Slowtwitch Society, which I know a bit because I used
your forum.

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years ago and I found it very very interesting and helpful so it's a very high pleasure
for me to be here when I thought about the invitation I thought it's a situation for me if

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I would be a movie fan and I can compare it to the situation when Robert De Niro and Al
Pacino will invite me for a podcast this is this kind of pleasure for me

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good grief.

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Eric, are you Robert De Niro or Al Pacino?

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I guess I take whichever one you don't pick.

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Um, we should have had Dan Enfield on the podcast.

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That would have been, that would have been a true comparison since he was the one that
started the whole thing.

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There you go.

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So Bartos, I know you and Eric met at a recent media event, um riding bikes and all that
kind of stuff, but for um those who aren't familiar with all you do, maybe you could just

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give us a little intro of what you do, who you are, and um what inspired Eric to bring you
on our podcast today.

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Okay, so um first of all, all the cycling stuff that I take care about is my side hustle.

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My main job is to be a sales manager for Swedish company Atlas Copco, which is a worldwide
leader in compressor.

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And after the eight hours of working for Atlas Copco, I take care about my bike related
stuff like...

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I own a YouTube channel which has close to 25,000 followers and 8 million views.

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I review bike stuff, give some advice related to bike sizing, bike fitting and so on.

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I am also a director of Predator Gravel Series here in Poland.

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Together with my colleagues, we created gravel series races five years ago.

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and we continue to develop it with the support of Acer Company, which is the main sponsor
here.

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I run also a bikeselection.pl service where I help people to determine which bike they
need on an online meeting, what kind of bike, which kind of bike, which exactly, which

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brand, which size first and foremost.

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And that's my online service, which I also take care about.

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So, and of course, I'm the boss of the cycling team Road Racing.pl, which is a team in
which there are really strong riders.

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Few of them push well above five watts per kilogram.

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We have a champion of Poland in TT in our squad.

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So, so these are really keen people.

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And just as an introduction, I would say that we organize those races, those Predator
Gravel Series races.

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to earn the money that we can run our cycling club.

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So we don't want to have any donation to relate from people, from whoever.

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We want to earn the money and have the money to spend them on cycling team on
roadracing.pl.

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And so what do you do the rest of the time?

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It doesn't sound like you're busy at all.

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uh The rest of my time, of course, I have a family.

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m But I'm pretty busy, frankly speaking.

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So as you have heard, it's a lot of things to do.

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But with a good time management and with a general manager uh abilities that I own, I can
cope with this really.

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It is possible.

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uh So maybe you could tell us a little bit about the Predator Gravel series, know, and,
you know, because gravel is taking off and I'm guessing as popular in Poland as it seems

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to be all over the rest of the world.

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Yeah, so the story looks like this.

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We were initially organizing road races, really huge road races.

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There were events for even 500 people.

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But it became tougher and tougher to make all the legal documents, all the allowance from
police, from local authorities.

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It became more and more difficult in Poland.

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And then five years ago, I decided, okay, guys, we switch to gravel.

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Yeah, it's much easier.

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We have only one partner, the owner of the wood, let's say so.

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And we will start doing gravel.

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It would be much easier, much safer for us as a for organization.

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then we started Predator Gravel Series.

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Of course, my inspiration were American races.

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So I tend to organize something which is close to the roots of the discipline of dirty
Kansa.

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So not a technical gravel, not a gravel in mountains, a typical fire roads, high pace,
very well constructed roots.

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And that's what we do.

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uh I have nine colleagues with which I work on the subject.

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And we do this with pleasure.

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We do three races a year.

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On the third race, on the final race, are also making a Championships of Poland of content
creators, which is a very nice event because we can meet with each other, we can chat with

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each other.

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They are also making a kind of content from this event, so it is spread very well across
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And that's our idea.

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To give you an idea of is the level of this competition, the winner of the male
competition last year had an average speed of 39 km per hour.

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Whoa, okay.

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Yeah, so people aren't playing around.

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And do you have, what's the, what does the participation look like uh in terms of, you
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Are women participating in these events?

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What sort of numbers do you have on that front?

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Yeah, the thing is we are in a southwest corner of Poland.

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We are not in the middle of Poland, somewhere in the middle.

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It's also important.

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our participants is around 200, 220 racers and the split between genders is, I would say,
85 % are male riders, 15 % female.

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But the female competition is treated here very seriously and I want it to be fair.

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to not draft behind men.

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It's illegal.

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It's disqualification when you do it.

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And therefore I start the women's race five minutes after the last male group is going
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So I want that the females have also fun from the riding and to compete with each other.

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Got it.

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What do they think about that?

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They fully agree.

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They love it.

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Girls like to want to race with each other.

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They don't want such a situation that, in example, some boyfriend is waiting for some
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And because of the drafting, she wins a competition.

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We have also pretty attractive awards in this races.

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So we need to be sure that everything goes according to the rules that I set in this
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So just to confirm, you start the women five minutes after the very last wave of men go.

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Okay.

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And how many waves of men do you usually send off?

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We have also MTB riders, not only the gravel riders, because there are people who still
own MTB bikes and everybody has uh bought a gravel bike.

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So I would say four waves of men racing, the long gravel, short gravel, long MTB, short
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racing as the last wave.

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Okay, sorry, go ahead.

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Oh, and then um do I'm sure the women still catch up with some of them in.

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Yeah, but those men who they catch up are not powerful enough to give them any kind of
advantage because they are in the back of the pack.

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yeah.

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They're passing like me.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, that's also that's the way it goes.

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It's fair.

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They accept it.

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It was a kind of a new rules here in Poland because majority of the race organizers mixed
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In my opinion, it's unfair.

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The power of the average male is higher than the power of the average female.

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So you got to respect it.

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If you want to have a true winner of the women's competition, you need to split them.

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Yeah, we're dealing with that a lot in the United States, just with gravel in general,
particularly in the pro rankings where, um, you know, we're trying to figure out, I say,

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we, the, the, the race directors and the pro women, they're trying to figure out how to
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Um, and we, and we did that in the triathlon as well.

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Um, and so usually the, the, the challenge that we have with the pros, the elites here is.

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They start after the pro men, but after them come the elite, not the pros, but the fast
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And they usually catch up to some of the pros and then they're riding together.

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It doesn't make sense in my opinion.

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Yeah, it would be the, I think the hard part with why, let me, let me rephrase this.

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What you have going for you is, you know, unfortunately your, your race isn't that big.

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And so if you were to have a couple thousand people doing the race, you might have to
reevaluate how that would work.

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Cause yeah, because then the women would have to go through, you know, a couple hundred
people instead of just maybe 10 or 15, but yeah.

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these are not big races, 220 people.

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a solution that everyone seems to be happy with because we have yet to find a solution
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Well, em I respect lot all the women's racing.

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I like when they came to our races.

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It's always a very nice thing.

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But I want to know which one of them was the best.

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Not which one was the best in drafting, but which one was the best in general.

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What's more, the last race where the content creators are racing also, in last year in
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Two first ladies were a week after in nationals, in Polish nationals, they were the winner
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So the level of the competition is really high on our races and therefore we really need
to secure that it goes really...

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Because these are unnecessary emotions after the finish line.

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You were cheating, you were riding on somebody's wheel.

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Sorry, I don't want events like this.

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I understand fully.

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that my race is relatively small, 220 people is not a lot, it's not 5,000, it's not
unbound, so to say.

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But on this scale, we are able to provide this kind of solution.

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And so you guys put on these gravel races, you have a road team.

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Do you put on road events as well?

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No, actually not, because it's getting more and more difficult in Poland to organize road
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We started from this, as I said, but now we do only gravel.

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and majority of the people racing in gravel are road racers.

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And so, can you tell us a little bit about your road team then?

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You know, obviously you've got some, you know, masters time trial champions, so you've got
some top people in your club.

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Where else does the club race and how does that all work?

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We race all over Poland.

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Of course, the main races are close to our home, so in Lower Silesia, but we travel also a
bit to race in other parts of Poland.

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And the competition here is pretty uh big.

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I must say that Polish Masters, we might say they were very, very successful in Australia
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the UCI Grand Fondo Championships.

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Our colleagues from VALBET team in Poland, they scored three podium spots.

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So one of them was third in the category from 35 to 39.

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And the first guy was also from Poland.

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The other was third and two in the category 19 up to 34, second and third place.

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So these were all guys from Poland.

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small country in Europe, but they traveled to Australia and pushed really hard.

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Yeah, what is it about Polish cycling?

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You've got this incredible record of, you know, success and I guess popularity.

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Why is the sport so popular?

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I think that when it comes to road cycling, road racing, it all exploded after Michał
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I recorded a video for my channel, a golden generation, golden decade, sorry, from 2010 to
2020.

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And we had racers like Michał Kwiatkowski who won World Championships, Amstel Gold Race,
Strade Bianche, Milan Sanremo.

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Everybody knows him.

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He's a super intelligent rider, super skilled also, great descender.

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We have Rafał Majka.

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He already finished his career, but he was winning stages at Tour de France.

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We had Maciej Bodnar, who won the TT on Tour de France.

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I know him personally.

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He was an ambassador of our gravel race.

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He's now close to specialized.

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He was an ambassador for our race.

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We had Przemek Niemiec, he won the stage at Vuelta.

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Why is it so popular?

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Because I don't know why it's so popular in Poland, but it is really huge here.

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I might say that in Calpe, in Spain, in winter, the most frequent language is Polish.

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Yeah Well and but and I think it goes back to like, you know for me anyway, I'm thinking
of Eddie B Eddie worse savage I have no idea if I'm pronouncing that right but you know,

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he was the the site, you know the guy who was the brought brought American cycling to a
higher level in the 70s and 80s and you know, he was from Poland and here in Canada we had

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a bunch of famous Polish athletes who came over as well and and seemed to

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you know, raise the level.

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So yeah, you guys have a really long history.

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what's important, we have here in Lower Silesia uh a group of people, uh racers.

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They were amateur racers in time of communism, in 70s and 60s, but they are still active.

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They still race, although they are 70 or 75 years old.

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And they were really a big and popular stars in Poland at these days.

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And they still have a continuation.

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So the younger people are coming.

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and they have some career, they want to be a trainer, their young kids see that the sport
is popular.

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I think that the social media thing also is helping in a way because we also, have to
mention here also about our great women's like Kasia Niewiadoma, Tour de Femme winner, and

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many other women's who are pro athletes, rising for best teams in the world.

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And I think it's really huge and all the young people now see that cycling can be a very
nice sport to practice but also visually appealing.

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What is important for people these days?

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And how is the industry going, the cycling industry going in Poland right now?

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Well, we have the Polish manufacturers of the bikes, pretty big companies, but they are
producing, I would say, mid and low tier bikes.

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And we have the representation of the whole world here.

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You can buy anything you want.

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So if you ask which brands are strong, I would say that Trek is strong.

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There's also a thing that many people don't know, maybe in USA even.

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But the biggest shop of Trek is in Poland, in the world.

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Yeah, it's in Częstochowa, it's Fabryka Rowerów.

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So there you can see a bicycle of Rens Armstrong, of George Hinckapie.

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It's a fantastic place.

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I would say also specialized this strong, specialized I would put them uh half shelf above
Trek.

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The Italian brands are here present.

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On my channel, I cooperate with a shop from Jedlicze.

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who sells Pinarello, Velier and Orbea bikes.

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The Orbea is strong here also.

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I would say we have all the brands that are top in the world are also present in Poland.

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So you can choose, it only depends on your budget, what do you want to buy and no problem
with that at all.

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The shops.

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ride?

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What?

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I have several bikes.

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Tarmac S works.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So that's sorry just said just it or go ahead

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one thing about Tarmac S-Works is not that it's the best bike in the world, but when I was
a younger guy, I was 33, let's say so, I bought myself with a huge effort at these days

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S-Works Stumpjumper frame and I built a bike on it.

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And we were together on 35 MTB marathons without any success because I'm not talented at
cyclists.

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My father was heavyweight lifter, representative of Poland.

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So I'm rather a strong guy than an endurance athlete.

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But I love to ride a bike and we had great adventures for many years.

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And that's how my sympathy for specialized brands raised over the years.

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that's why it's my...

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I also have both now Pinarello Dogma F.

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I own some gravel bikes, Velier Rave SLR.

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em And I own also electric bikes which are popular here in my family.

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My wife likes electric bikes, MTB electric bikes and my kit as well.

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So this is how it looks like.

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Awesome.

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And just to round out the state of the nation or state of Poland in terms of cycling.

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So the economy and people, if there's that much availability of bikes and that much
support for all the bike stores, people must be out there buying bikes and everything.

241
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And you must have an active population in terms of that and people buying stuff.

242
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Yeah, people generally buy stuff, but the Polish people are looking for good deals.

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Here in Europe, you do not have to buy it in Poland.

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They look also for some other countries, Spain, Italy.

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So they buy it also online.

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I'm against buying bikes online.

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I prefer the local shop method that you can go there, try on to have a good service,
somebody who you can rely on.

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There are a variety of possibilities and from different budgets you can buy generally any
bike you want.

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What's the, what are the shops like in Poland?

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Cause in, in an ideal world, I tend to agree with you that, you know, somebody being able
to go into a bike shop, get the service, get, somebody that can answer their questions.

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Um, but like in the United States, like a lot of bike shops have become super lazy and you
don't get good service anymore.

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And because of that, there's been a, a big opportunity for direct to consumer.

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sales that at sometimes is better off than going into your local shop.

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Yeah, I understand it.

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But uh in Poland, I would say so.

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be a US, United States like lazy thing too, where we're just not, you know, we're just not
proud of what we do.

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I never been to United States so I cannot comment on it.

258
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I never experienced this kind of things.

259
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But in Poland it generally look like this.

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If the owner is young, he is 25, 30 years old, generally he is engaged, he is helpful, he
is doing all the good things that he needs to do to give you a great service.

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Marching from Rowery.pl in Jedlicze.

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The guy with whom I cooperate is 25 years old.

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He's 25 years old.

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His father run a bike shop in 90s.

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Now he do this and he's very, very customer friendly.

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He's in good contact.

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He's answering his calls.

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He's making all in example when you want something superior.

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Yeah.

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Your dream is to have Pinarello with SRM power, uh power meter and lightweight wheels.

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You will have it by him.

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He will arrange it for you.

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But this is the bright side.

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And to be honest, there is also the dark side.

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The dark side are the shop owners who started their career at 90s, let's say so.

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Now they are around 60 or older.

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And of course, they are not so super energetic.

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They are maybe not so helpful.

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But these are the two categories.

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Yeah.

281
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And there is also a third category, huge shops.

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When you can try on inside the bike.

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Inside the shop when there is a circle where you can ride on the bike.

284
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It's it's all it's called Centrum Rover over It's a corporation.

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It's a rich company that is able to open large shops in large cities and there is the
Third approach so depends where you go and but generally you can find people who are

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engaged Who are passionate about this what they do and they want just to earn money and so
they know how the business goes

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If you give your customer a good service, he will advise you to his relatives or some
people that he knows.

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So I think that generally Polish people, when they work, they are very engaged.

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We are famous from this in Europe, I think.

290
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Yeah.

291
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All right.

292
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So you have better shops.

293
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Well, but but but Eric don't you think that the shops that are now being successful in the
states are doing exactly what Bartosz is talking about like because otherwise you're gonna

294
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get killed with online stuff right like unless you're providing that service and

295
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I think they've started to there.

296
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There was definitely a, um, you know, a transition period where, um, you know, shops were
irritated and direct to consumer and things like that.

297
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And so, you know, you would buy, let's just say a Katana roux, right?

298
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Direct to consumer.

299
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And then you would, you would need it, you would need it fixed, right?

300
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And so you'd go into the shop to get it fixed and they wouldn't even fix it because
they're like, you didn't buy that bike here.

301
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And there was enough time of.

302
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You know, people just not going to bike shops where they, they started to figure out that
they needed, you know, no matter what a consumer, you know, needed, it was, it was their

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job to try to service the customer.

304
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so, you know, running shops, um, you know, and, and, and cycling shops that have, have
adhered to that and taken that approach of we're in business to service a customer.

305
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no matter what the customer needs, like there's an opportunity there to make that customer
happy and make money at the process.

306
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Those are the ones that have definitely like thrived.

307
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uh And there's been a lot of shops that have closed down in the last, you know, five, 10
years because they chose not to do that.

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So.

309
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Yeah, the...

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Yeah, go, go.

311
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I was just gonna say, Bartosz, you are also involved in that whole process yourself
because you, I think you mentioned you have a bike fitting service yourself, right?

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uh And can you tell us a little bit about that side of the many things?

313
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I finally met somebody who I think has more jobs than I do, which I didn't think was
possible.

314
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Yeah, I have to say that in Poland the habit of working in two places is very old.

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Nobody is afraid of doing this and you have acceptance from your relatives, from your
friends.

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It's obvious.

317
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It's not that I'm somebody special here.

318
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So what about the service?

319
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Service is called bike selection.

320
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I always take care about the proper name of my activities like road racing.

321
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It's worldwide understood.

322
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What do we do?

323
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Then bike selection is also worldwide understood.

324
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It's not a bike fitting service.

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It's a bike sizing service rather and to help and to help how to help people to choose the
right bike because they are very, very confused.

326
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They do not know what is the difference between endurance bike and travel bike.

327
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When do they need this?

328
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When do they need that?

329
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What's the difference?

330
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What does that old story which is so important here for Slowtwitch community with that
stack and reach?

331
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What is it all about?

332
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This is very confusing.

333
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These are some numbers, some data, but are not clear for average customer.

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And that customer is lost.

335
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And there is the most important thing that I want to say here in case of bike selection.

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85 % of the...

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buying decision of a potential buyer nowadays is made prior to visit in the shop.

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85 % of that decision.

339
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Why?

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Because the people a little bit want to be ahead of the shop advisory.

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They want to know on their own what is good, what is not good, what is that for, what is
that for?

342
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And this is the part of the story.

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the bike selection, I am the part of the story.

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First, these are some marketing materials made by YouTubers, made by journalists like you.

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Then people read about it.

346
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They get some idea about what they want to buy.

347
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And finally, they already have some idea what it's all about.

348
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Then they came to me.

349
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We made a 45-minute session on Teams.

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And after that...

351
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This person is clear what she wants, what she needs, what kind of bike, which brand.

352
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And I try as good as I can to determine the frame size because the frame size
determination is the basic of the bike sizing.

353
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The stem length, the handlebar reach, it's just a regulation.

354
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First and foremost, you need to have the right frame size.

355
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My close colleague, my friend is Bartek Czerwiński.

356
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He's a physiotherapist at Red Bull Bora Hansgrohe.

357
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And we made together some recordings about these kinds of things.

358
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And he also mentioned that very frequently people have two big bikes.

359
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And he's honest in this what he does.

360
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He's also highly professional.

361
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And I asked him, what would you do in this case?

362
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He's a bike fitter also, not only physiotherapist, he's also a bike fitter.

363
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He has a bike fitting studio here when he's not with Red Bull somewhere in the world.

364
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And he says then when the bike is too big I drink a coffee with my customer and I say
that's it for today.

365
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I will not fit this bike

366
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So he's really honest.

367
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I think it's a good way because fitting someone on too large frame is just, it's not a
good service in my opinion.

368
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Yeah, it sets everybody up for failure, right?

369
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Like, because bikes aren't cheap either.

370
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And so, you know, somebody's really excited about, you know, this new adventure that
they're going to have on these bikes.

371
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And then if they're not fit properly, then, then their experience is just a, it's just a
bad experience all around because they don't feel good on the bike.

372
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And then they just spent a bunch of money on the bike and then they don't ride the bike
and then they end up selling the bike and then they don't want to go back because they

373
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just assumed that bike riding sucks.

374
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When the reality of it is, is they were just on the wrong frame and or the wrong saddle,
you know, and so on the, you know, or with the wrong tilt, like very small little things

375
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that easily can be fixed sometimes don't ever.

376
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um and it's

377
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You know, mean, that's one of the reasons why, you know, Dan was so, you know, anal
retenant, I guess you could say about stack and reach and fit and, running fit academies

378
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and all of those things was because that was the starting point on someone's journey when
it came to them being successful with the, you know, their experience out on the road on,

379
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on bicycles.

380
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so.

381
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Awareness when it comes to bike fitting in Poland is really big.

382
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People in many big shops offer bike fitting in price of the bicycle.

383
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Yeah.

384
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Yeah.

385
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See, so in the, in the States right now, it's starting to drop off a little bit.

386
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People are, are starting to, to, to forget about the importance of a bike fit and, and,
know, and so we've got to kind of start to resurrect that a little bit and get, you know,

387
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proper trained fitters in shops with

388
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proper tools so that when somebody comes in to buy the bike and I think that that's going
to start to change because obviously the bike business is tough right now in selling bikes

389
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and so I think that will naturally be an occurring thing but I did have a question where
do you have a studio in your house where do you do all of your fits?

390
00:33:10,643 --> 00:33:11,995
I do not feed people.

391
00:33:11,995 --> 00:33:22,339
I just meet with them online and we speak about which bike to bike and I help them after
their precise measurements to determine the frame size.

392
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And that's all what I do.

393
00:33:23,411 --> 00:33:25,160
I don't do bike fitting.

394
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,520
Okay.

395
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,892
So how do you, so talk to us a little bit about the process of, of how you would go about
that.

396
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Like what measurements are you getting from them online?

397
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I take from them.

398
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There is a bikeselection.pl website.

399
00:33:37,764 --> 00:33:48,823
You have there several measurements, but the crucial measurements for myself are your
height, your in-sync, your torso length and your arm length.

400
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Because those measurements determine the proportion of these measurements, determine what
kind of bike can you actually ride.

401
00:33:57,736 --> 00:34:07,581
There are tools that can determine you that by this height, this inseam is above average,
under average, on average.

402
00:34:07,581 --> 00:34:21,458
So then you can slightly move into direction, but you can determine whether this guy needs
something like an endurance bike, which has shorter reach and higher stack, or is he able

403
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to reach the handlebar with a bike that is more sporty?

404
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:30,664
Of course, we consider also the flexibility of this guy.

405
00:34:30,664 --> 00:34:33,284
I make an interview about it with him.

406
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I made 250 of these kind of services in Poland.

407
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People are generally very satisfied.

408
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I am conservative.

409
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don't.

410
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I think that the worst issue that can happen on the bike, there are two issues, too long
bike and too high saddle.

411
00:34:49,339 --> 00:34:49,929
Yeah.

412
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Those two mistakes affect your position really badly.

413
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So I try to.

414
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At the end, why did I say that I prefer a local bikes?

415
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If I already am at the end of my service and I would say, example, Giant TCR size ML stem
100, what I recommend them, go to the shop please and try on this bike.

416
00:35:14,743 --> 00:35:22,429
em As precisely as I can, I try to figure that for them out, what do they should to feel?

417
00:35:22,429 --> 00:35:26,210
How do they should to look like on the bike that they have

418
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to have the slightly bent elbows naturally pointed down the torso and this is the way I
work and it is really really helpful because I take a look at every small detail I'll take

419
00:35:40,418 --> 00:35:52,454
a look what is the handlebar reach what is the brake levers reach that the strut levers
are one centimeter longer than Shimano levers I take into consideration all of these kind

420
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of things so this is the way I work

421
00:35:55,775 --> 00:36:02,133
So do you ever tell somebody, you shouldn't get this brand, you need to get a different
brand?

422
00:36:03,396 --> 00:36:06,480
Yeah, because brands are different sizes.

423
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,001
Yeah, exactly.

424
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And then,

425
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goes about the geometry.

426
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Geometry is the base.

427
00:36:13,087 --> 00:36:14,098
Sure, yeah.

428
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And then do you work with the shops at all on the back end?

429
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Like do you ever call a shop and say, hey, I've got so and so that's coming into your
shop.

430
00:36:23,789 --> 00:36:25,892
This is what they're looking for.

431
00:36:25,892 --> 00:36:27,198
If you could help them out.

432
00:36:27,198 --> 00:36:38,051
they will, if they will, I do not have this kind of method of working, but I would say I
have to fit you on Pinarello because I have money from this.

433
00:36:38,051 --> 00:36:38,751
Yes.

434
00:36:38,751 --> 00:36:41,612
I will fit you on the bike that you need.

435
00:36:41,612 --> 00:36:47,754
Sometimes it's cube, sometimes it's, it's vile, sometimes it's specialized or track.

436
00:36:47,774 --> 00:36:52,035
With some of these brands, I have a kind of relations like this, but this is

437
00:36:52,035 --> 00:36:53,819
This is not all over Poland.

438
00:36:53,819 --> 00:36:57,046
It's impossible to have a general relations with trekking Poland.

439
00:36:57,046 --> 00:36:58,309
They are too big for that.

440
00:36:58,309 --> 00:37:03,278
But with some shops, I can help people to buy it a little bit cheaper.

441
00:37:05,666 --> 00:37:07,748
How many do you do a week?

442
00:37:08,303 --> 00:37:15,629
uh Generally, I try to do five a week once in the evening because it's exhausting.

443
00:37:15,629 --> 00:37:16,890
It's very intense.

444
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:21,574
have to remember I'm after eight hours of working by Atlas Copco.

445
00:37:21,574 --> 00:37:24,516
I set it around and then I go for a bike.

446
00:37:24,857 --> 00:37:25,658
Sorry, sorry, sorry.

447
00:37:25,658 --> 00:37:26,899
Very important thing.

448
00:37:26,899 --> 00:37:28,240
After four p.m.

449
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,162
I make um a power nap.

450
00:37:32,003 --> 00:37:32,984
Half an hour.

451
00:37:32,984 --> 00:37:33,884
Yeah.

452
00:37:35,947 --> 00:37:36,463
Yeah.

453
00:37:36,463 --> 00:37:38,403
Yeah, it is refreshing me.

454
00:37:38,403 --> 00:37:41,263
It is making me able to work in the evening like today.

455
00:37:41,263 --> 00:37:42,923
Of course, I did it today as well.

456
00:37:42,923 --> 00:37:47,323
I practiced since I was, I don't know, a very young guy.

457
00:37:48,383 --> 00:38:01,703
the thing is that I try to do it five times a week, but sometimes I need to do more
because the waiting list is really long.

458
00:38:01,703 --> 00:38:03,043
Now it's three weeks.

459
00:38:03,043 --> 00:38:05,326
People are waiting three weeks for the service.

460
00:38:05,326 --> 00:38:07,306
and they are very, very satisfied.

461
00:38:07,306 --> 00:38:09,966
They are recommending me to other people.

462
00:38:09,966 --> 00:38:16,166
Of course, for example, my customers are pretty frequently ladies.

463
00:38:16,786 --> 00:38:26,066
Those ladies usually attend this service with her husband because the husband is involved
usually in the buying process.

464
00:38:26,526 --> 00:38:34,066
And very frequently, these are ladies that are not too high, that are 1.60 example, 1.55

465
00:38:34,133 --> 00:38:38,847
And then you got to know which brand is offering special bikes for that height.

466
00:38:38,847 --> 00:38:39,757
Yeah.

467
00:38:39,818 --> 00:38:40,318
Okay.

468
00:38:40,318 --> 00:38:41,689
One of the brand is LEAVE.

469
00:38:41,689 --> 00:38:43,010
Yeah, they are great at it.

470
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:44,401
We know the brand.

471
00:38:45,563 --> 00:38:47,725
The other is Pinarello, in example.

472
00:38:47,725 --> 00:38:51,268
They also have very wide range of sizes.

473
00:38:51,268 --> 00:38:59,935
So those women, what they very frequently repeat is that I bought a bike in a shop.

474
00:38:59,935 --> 00:39:00,816
It was too big.

475
00:39:00,816 --> 00:39:02,733
It was very uncomfortable.

476
00:39:02,733 --> 00:39:08,039
eh But I want to ride comfortably for long distances, please help me.

477
00:39:08,039 --> 00:39:09,977
That's the case.

478
00:39:10,665 --> 00:39:11,465
Yeah.

479
00:39:11,646 --> 00:39:23,622
Now this is probably a good way to segment into the next thing that we want to talk about
because, know, obviously you, you know, you're, you're what we call it, um, a, an

480
00:39:23,622 --> 00:39:26,604
influencer when it, when it comes to people buying bikes, right?

481
00:39:26,604 --> 00:39:31,917
So you're, I would classify you as a, as an online bike fitter in the United States.

482
00:39:31,917 --> 00:39:35,319
That's what, that's what it sounds like you do, which is, which is amazing.

483
00:39:35,319 --> 00:39:39,081
And we need more of you doing those types of things.

484
00:39:39,081 --> 00:39:40,181
And so.

485
00:39:40,953 --> 00:39:50,339
Now you're, we're going to talk about how you've, you've got this really big YouTube
channel and you, do all these product reviews and stuff.

486
00:39:50,339 --> 00:40:02,256
so I would imagine that probably helps you a ton with your bike selective service because
you physically have put hands on a lot of these products.

487
00:40:02,256 --> 00:40:07,879
And so how did, what, what started, what, what clicked with you where you're like, you
know what, like

488
00:40:08,381 --> 00:40:13,607
I'm going to start making YouTube channels videos about all of this stuff.

489
00:40:14,057 --> 00:40:14,887
Yeah.

490
00:40:15,268 --> 00:40:16,910
So the story was like this.

491
00:40:16,910 --> 00:40:20,202
I have a website, roadracing.pl.

492
00:40:20,202 --> 00:40:26,717
I started writing some articles, some reviews of the things that I bought that I want to
share with the people.

493
00:40:26,918 --> 00:40:37,126
The first big success was a review of Continental GP4000 S2, which was the most visited
review of these tires in Poland, according to Google.

494
00:40:37,287 --> 00:40:42,291
But then I said that my dynamic as a person

495
00:40:42,321 --> 00:40:47,895
my ability to speak uh in concentration because I have that ability.

496
00:40:47,895 --> 00:40:57,402
When I record a video about a product, I switch off for 12 minutes and I speak exactly
what I want to say without repeating, without second recording.

497
00:40:57,402 --> 00:41:04,807
I take care of myself, of being able to be efficient and that's how it works.

498
00:41:04,807 --> 00:41:11,249
And then I asked a bike producer

499
00:41:11,249 --> 00:41:24,793
Rose company to send me some bike for review and for the first time I recorded the review
but it was totally amateur yeah I had I don't know iPhone 6 without a microphone I just

500
00:41:24,793 --> 00:41:36,304
went around the bike and said something for three minutes I put it on YouTube and after
three months I see oh three thousand views not that bad so maybe I should repeat it

501
00:41:36,304 --> 00:41:41,588
Then I started to record videos about every bicycle of my colleague.

502
00:41:41,588 --> 00:41:42,129
Every.

503
00:41:42,129 --> 00:41:45,812
eh I was asking, can you lend me this bike for a while?

504
00:41:45,812 --> 00:41:46,272
Yes.

505
00:41:46,272 --> 00:41:49,945
So I will just describe it, not to make a review, just describe it.

506
00:41:49,945 --> 00:41:50,786
How is it built?

507
00:41:50,786 --> 00:41:51,656
Yes.

508
00:41:52,057 --> 00:41:58,022
Then some other companies started to approach me, giant send me some bike for reviews.

509
00:41:58,022 --> 00:42:01,295
And then I thought I need a better gear.

510
00:42:01,295 --> 00:42:01,675
Yes.

511
00:42:01,675 --> 00:42:03,066
I want to be professional.

512
00:42:03,066 --> 00:42:05,638
So I bought myself a Sony camera.

513
00:42:06,248 --> 00:42:10,381
I recorded some video about bike fitting which was a huge success.

514
00:42:10,381 --> 00:42:17,806
It gave me 1000 followers one video and I decided to buy a microphone to buy all these
gears.

515
00:42:17,806 --> 00:42:19,973
Now I have several equipment.

516
00:42:19,973 --> 00:42:33,086
I'm really focused on high quality of recording and my dynamic and being honest with
people because my main goal is to describe the bike as good as I can then when somebody

517
00:42:33,086 --> 00:42:34,568
buys it he will feel the same.

518
00:42:34,568 --> 00:42:35,768
That's my goal.

519
00:42:36,571 --> 00:42:42,293
I'm never in any kind of relation with the bike manufacturers that they will tell me what
to say.

520
00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:43,354
It's impossible.

521
00:42:43,354 --> 00:42:52,737
That's the way that's the reason why I do not cooperate with Chinese direct to consumer
brands because they usually demand a preview of your video.

522
00:42:52,737 --> 00:42:54,178
I don't accept it.

523
00:42:54,178 --> 00:43:02,721
The big brands, big Western brands like Specialized, like Trek, like Villier, like
Pinarello, they don't require this at all.

524
00:43:02,721 --> 00:43:04,622
They believe in their products.

525
00:43:04,622 --> 00:43:10,804
So I cooperate with them because that's my I'm honest from from the from the very
beginning.

526
00:43:10,825 --> 00:43:17,717
And then I when the channel starts to develop, it is not a huge development.

527
00:43:17,717 --> 00:43:20,749
It was not very spectacular or super fast.

528
00:43:20,749 --> 00:43:30,333
I'm also not that kind of guy like with the mindset like like AI chat GPT that I will
please you in my reviews.

529
00:43:30,333 --> 00:43:34,062
No, I just will tell you what it is in my opinion.

530
00:43:34,062 --> 00:43:38,185
I'm not looking forward to anticipate this what you want to hear.

531
00:43:38,185 --> 00:43:45,309
I try to be as independent as I can in my thoughts and that's the way I do it.

532
00:43:45,309 --> 00:43:48,672
Now it's 25,000 close of followers.

533
00:43:48,672 --> 00:43:58,778
uh They are similar to me, I think, because I have met them many times in many races
because I also do a races shoot.

534
00:43:59,018 --> 00:44:06,600
When I go with my colleagues, when they race, I make some videos, I make interviews at the
end of oh the race.

535
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,521
This is very popular and I always ask some technical questions.

536
00:44:10,521 --> 00:44:12,842
In example, what's the pressure in your tire?

537
00:44:12,842 --> 00:44:14,222
What tire do you ride?

538
00:44:14,222 --> 00:44:15,693
What's the width of your bar?

539
00:44:15,693 --> 00:44:20,444
So in this case, it's more interesting and engaging.

540
00:44:20,444 --> 00:44:28,623
And my community, my channel community, I think these are, as far as I see in the stats,
these are males usually.

541
00:44:28,623 --> 00:44:44,197
from 35 up to 55 and taking a look at the comments they are really very nice, educated and
generally positive towards what's more I am not super fit yes I am not the type of

542
00:44:44,197 --> 00:44:57,420
influencer that I'm you know former pro or something like this I'm an average 47 years old
guy yeah and this helps the people they they take a look at me

543
00:44:57,592 --> 00:45:00,493
He's just like me.

544
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:01,653
I can do it as well.

545
00:45:01,653 --> 00:45:03,134
I can ride a road bicycle.

546
00:45:03,134 --> 00:45:04,954
I can ride a gravel bicycle.

547
00:45:04,954 --> 00:45:10,956
And that's what has my colleague from Specialized Artur noticed.

548
00:45:11,056 --> 00:45:17,928
That probably the people uh think that you are similar to them in a way.

549
00:45:17,928 --> 00:45:21,659
You are just an average cycling enthusiast.

550
00:45:21,659 --> 00:45:25,310
Not a pro, not a former pro, just an average guy.

551
00:45:27,923 --> 00:45:31,695
So how much time a week do you spend doing all of that stuff?

552
00:45:32,716 --> 00:45:44,740
Yeah, my plan is to shoot four long videos, so the horizontal videos and if it's possible
on daily basis some shorts.

553
00:45:45,180 --> 00:45:50,862
When I shoot a video I cooperate with the video guy.

554
00:45:51,822 --> 00:45:56,013
He's doing this for me because I need the highest quality.

555
00:45:56,013 --> 00:45:58,174
I'm very demanding in that aspect.

556
00:45:59,043 --> 00:46:10,448
And when I shoot vertical videos or such a simple um spoken videos, when I stay near by my
bike and speak about something, then I shoot it on my own.

557
00:46:10,448 --> 00:46:18,070
I shoot also many videos with the of browser recording and commenting something.

558
00:46:19,591 --> 00:46:24,433
And how much time, I would say, oh in hours?

559
00:46:25,774 --> 00:46:27,274
You want it in hours?

560
00:46:27,479 --> 00:46:29,961
uh A week, okay.

561
00:46:29,961 --> 00:46:38,289
And so do you, you said four videos, you do four videos, two videos a week, okay.

562
00:46:38,289 --> 00:46:39,990
So you're doing eight a month.

563
00:46:40,071 --> 00:46:49,359
Yeah, so do you, um how many times do you post to YouTube a week?

564
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:50,960
Is it twice, is it once?

565
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,398
How?

566
00:46:51,398 --> 00:46:56,404
No, I post it almost every day because I post some shorts videos every day.

567
00:46:56,465 --> 00:47:00,570
But normally I post on Thursday and on Sunday.

568
00:47:01,933 --> 00:47:03,284
Long form video.

569
00:47:03,284 --> 00:47:08,910
So your long form is repetitive twice a week, and then you're doing shorts every day.

570
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:14,930
yeah, I try to be regular because the YouTube algorithm likes it.

571
00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:20,930
Nowadays, just for your information, I have 280,000 views at 28 days.

572
00:47:22,739 --> 00:47:24,411
Yeah, no, you have a lot of views.

573
00:47:24,411 --> 00:47:36,823
was, I was going through your YouTube video um after Nice and, and then just last week
where, um yeah, you, you've got a, you've got a very bustling channel.

574
00:47:36,823 --> 00:47:38,464
It's, it's impressive.

575
00:47:38,834 --> 00:47:41,988
Yeah, and I try to work...

576
00:47:43,291 --> 00:47:50,502
Well, if it would be a pleasant thing, if it wouldn't be a pleasant thing for me, I will
not do this.

577
00:47:50,543 --> 00:47:51,644
I like it.

578
00:47:52,170 --> 00:47:52,540
No.

579
00:47:52,540 --> 00:48:08,086
And so I, I probably should have started the podcast with this, but, uh, we actually met
at the giant, uh, media camp, uh, last month and these, and, we, we spent three days

580
00:48:08,086 --> 00:48:15,590
together, um, you know, looking at the new propel and talking about, you know, K-dex
wheels and tires and all of that stuff.

581
00:48:15,590 --> 00:48:19,125
And, and, and I just found you very refreshing.

582
00:48:19,125 --> 00:48:30,533
Um, every conversation, uh, you had me, you know, laughing and, ah you, were just really
good sport about everything because you, you know, you were so blunt with your opinion and

583
00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:32,694
you were very non-apologetic with things.

584
00:48:32,694 --> 00:48:39,539
Um, and, sometimes those opinions were completely opposite of anything that was at the
table.

585
00:48:39,539 --> 00:48:47,975
Uh, but, but no one cared because you were so like just full of life that, uh, you know,
it was just.

586
00:48:48,063 --> 00:48:49,327
They're like, okay, cool.

587
00:48:49,327 --> 00:48:50,351
That's, what this guy thinks.

588
00:48:50,351 --> 00:48:52,417
Nobody was offended by, by any of it.

589
00:48:52,417 --> 00:48:55,314
And, uh, yeah.

590
00:48:55,314 --> 00:48:56,685
offend someone.

591
00:48:56,685 --> 00:49:06,520
As you know, we spent some evenings together by the table, but I think that discussion is
lively when people have different opinions about something.

592
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,790
Yeah, then...

593
00:49:08,031 --> 00:49:08,501
Yeah.

594
00:49:08,501 --> 00:49:12,062
And and it led to really good conversations because of that.

595
00:49:12,863 --> 00:49:14,723
So, yeah.

596
00:49:14,864 --> 00:49:17,056
So go ahead, Kevin.

597
00:49:17,056 --> 00:49:30,252
I was just going to say, do you think that's the key to your success, Bartosz, has been
that it isn't your main gig, that you're able to do it just purely as a passion?

598
00:49:31,333 --> 00:49:39,231
Because you're not worried about, well, if Giant doesn't like me because I don't like
their Spike, it doesn't matter.

599
00:49:39,231 --> 00:49:40,707
I still have my other jobs.

600
00:49:40,707 --> 00:49:42,508
I still have my stuff that I do.

601
00:49:42,917 --> 00:49:45,978
Yeah, it's a very good point, very good question.

602
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:49,270
Financial independence gives you the freedom in life.

603
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:53,452
Yeah, I'm very responsible when it goes about financial things.

604
00:49:53,452 --> 00:49:54,462
I live a good life.

605
00:49:54,462 --> 00:49:57,703
uh I can handle this really great.

606
00:49:57,703 --> 00:49:58,664
am working.

607
00:49:58,664 --> 00:50:06,707
uh I came from a family where my mother owns a natural apothec shop.

608
00:50:06,707 --> 00:50:07,248
Yeah.

609
00:50:07,248 --> 00:50:10,939
And when I was 13 years old, I was working with her.

610
00:50:11,025 --> 00:50:14,157
When I was really young, started to work during my studies.

611
00:50:14,157 --> 00:50:17,389
So I worked, we might say, all of my life.

612
00:50:17,389 --> 00:50:21,391
But I also am financially independent.

613
00:50:21,391 --> 00:50:24,252
um I live a good life.

614
00:50:24,252 --> 00:50:28,875
And that's the thing that I do not depend on these brands.

615
00:50:28,875 --> 00:50:33,798
Whether Giant will say that they like me or not, will change nothing in my life.

616
00:50:33,798 --> 00:50:36,419
So people understand it in Poland.

617
00:50:36,419 --> 00:50:39,761
People see it and people value it.

618
00:50:39,761 --> 00:50:50,565
this kind of approach because if you are becoming immediately ambassador of each brand
that you review, sorry, it doesn't make any sense.

619
00:50:52,239 --> 00:51:03,941
What's more, this is dangerous because people can take financial decisions on buying
something from a person who doing these kinds of things.

620
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:08,584
So it's highly unfair in my approach.

621
00:51:08,584 --> 00:51:19,051
m And I'm not afraid when I make a review of specialized bikes, some SL7 Expert Charmant,
and the handlebar looked cheap.

622
00:51:19,051 --> 00:51:20,853
I said it looks cheap.

623
00:51:22,681 --> 00:51:23,691
That's it.

624
00:51:23,851 --> 00:51:25,312
This is specialized.

625
00:51:25,312 --> 00:51:31,893
Okay, this is like Holy Grail of the cycling industry, but this handlebar looks cheap.

626
00:51:33,114 --> 00:51:34,294
And that's it.

627
00:51:34,314 --> 00:51:40,196
If you are not able to be honest with your audience, you are not building an audience.

628
00:51:40,196 --> 00:51:51,839
It's only a matter of time because the thing about which the content creators forget very
frequently is that your audience is intelligent.

629
00:51:53,605 --> 00:51:55,066
These are intelligent people.

630
00:51:55,066 --> 00:51:56,998
These are people just like you.

631
00:51:56,998 --> 00:52:06,185
They can sense that something is going not in the right direction because at the end they
can do something.

632
00:52:06,185 --> 00:52:16,453
They can buy this stuff and then they will reach you when there will be a total misleading
opinion pushed to them.

633
00:52:17,114 --> 00:52:22,829
In example, I bought these headphones after listening of a guy that I trust.

634
00:52:22,829 --> 00:52:28,571
These are Bowers and Wilkins, high-fi, very good quality headphones.

635
00:52:28,571 --> 00:52:34,552
But I know that this guy is very careful in each word that he says.

636
00:52:34,752 --> 00:52:36,873
He doesn't have a huge channel.

637
00:52:36,873 --> 00:52:43,195
He has maybe 30,000 followers, but he's careful in every word that he says.

638
00:52:43,195 --> 00:52:50,317
And I trust this kind of people because I I try to be as much as I can this kind of man.

639
00:52:51,197 --> 00:53:01,144
If the Pirelli PZero Race RS, we have three flats with this tire, I said it at the final
review of the tires.

640
00:53:01,505 --> 00:53:04,767
And I think it's positive.

641
00:53:05,208 --> 00:53:08,110
I did not said that this tire is a trap.

642
00:53:08,110 --> 00:53:11,712
I said this tire is awesome, but we have three flats.

643
00:53:12,437 --> 00:53:17,547
Yeah, what do you do when you...

644
00:53:19,551 --> 00:53:30,404
you know, when you're reviewing something and there's really nothing negative to say about
it because I agree with you and, you know, slow Twitch agrees with you a lot.

645
00:53:30,404 --> 00:53:33,945
Like integrity is the biggest thing that you have.

646
00:53:33,945 --> 00:53:39,077
And that's one thing that we've prided ourselves in is being honest with reviews and
things like that.

647
00:53:39,077 --> 00:53:46,338
But, you know, there's a lot of times that I'll review something and I don't have anything
negative to say.

648
00:53:46,338 --> 00:53:46,823
Yeah.

649
00:53:46,823 --> 00:53:47,303
about it.

650
00:53:47,303 --> 00:53:58,052
Like, I mean, it's like, yeah, it's, it's super expensive, but it's really well built, or,
you know, and then there's a lot of times where I refuse to review something that I look

651
00:53:58,052 --> 00:54:05,088
at, because I'm like, in my head, I'm like, you don't want me to review that, because it's
crap.

652
00:54:05,088 --> 00:54:07,850
And so I don't, I want to spend my time reviewing it.

653
00:54:07,850 --> 00:54:10,332
And I don't want to write about it, because it's crap.

654
00:54:10,332 --> 00:54:16,053
So I'm just not going to review it because I have better things to do and, and, and

655
00:54:16,053 --> 00:54:27,553
You know, so yeah, but yeah, so like, what do you, do you ever, do you ever worry about,
you know, doing a review and not have anything negative to say about a product?

656
00:54:27,553 --> 00:54:31,469
Cause you honestly don't have anything negative to say about it.

657
00:54:31,607 --> 00:54:38,866
had an experience of this kind of review which was not pleasant for me.

658
00:54:39,227 --> 00:54:42,167
The device was top.

659
00:54:42,167 --> 00:54:44,527
It was a Garmin 1050.

660
00:54:45,147 --> 00:54:49,027
Garmin Poland sent me this computer for testing.

661
00:54:49,027 --> 00:54:50,827
I made awesome video.

662
00:54:50,827 --> 00:54:51,787
Awesome.

663
00:54:51,787 --> 00:54:52,507
Brilliant.

664
00:54:52,507 --> 00:54:53,187
Great light.

665
00:54:53,187 --> 00:54:54,567
Everything spot on.

666
00:54:54,567 --> 00:54:58,707
I am a Garmin user since 12 or 13 years.

667
00:55:00,295 --> 00:55:05,039
I know the environment, know the system, I know the software, I know everything about it.

668
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:06,580
I use it personally.

669
00:55:06,580 --> 00:55:08,082
And I was positive.

670
00:55:08,082 --> 00:55:10,984
I was highly positive in this video.

671
00:55:10,984 --> 00:55:19,351
You know what some of the minority, but some of the commenters said, you just received a
very nice gear from German.

672
00:55:19,351 --> 00:55:20,582
I didn't receive anything.

673
00:55:20,582 --> 00:55:23,354
I just borrowed this for test and give it back.

674
00:55:23,554 --> 00:55:25,436
And you were so very nice here.

675
00:55:25,436 --> 00:55:27,497
So sometimes...

676
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,016
people expect from you to looking for some downsides.

677
00:55:32,016 --> 00:55:34,450
When I cannot find it, so what can I say?

678
00:55:34,450 --> 00:55:36,252
It's simply good.

679
00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:37,450
Yeah.

680
00:55:38,651 --> 00:55:42,632
But I do find, don't you find that that is rare?

681
00:55:42,632 --> 00:55:56,136
Like there's like, you know, I hear exactly what both of you guys are saying, but I almost
always find something either, you know, Eric, to me, the price is a big thing, right?

682
00:55:56,136 --> 00:56:02,028
Like, you know, sometimes stuff is, yeah, this is amazing, but like, it's not worth.

683
00:56:02,894 --> 00:56:07,604
18 grand or 20 grand or whatever right or the other thing too is that

684
00:56:07,685 --> 00:56:11,385
it may not be worth that, but to somebody else, it may.

685
00:56:11,585 --> 00:56:12,370
mean, look at,

686
00:56:12,370 --> 00:56:22,164
compared to like wetsuits, Like, you know, there were many times that I reviewed a wetsuit
and said, this is an amazing wetsuit.

687
00:56:22,164 --> 00:56:33,399
I've got nothing negative to say about it, but I can't in any good conscience tell you
that you need this over one that costs half the amount.

688
00:56:33,399 --> 00:56:37,520
Like I can't, I could not justify to you to go out and do that.

689
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,742
um You know, and I won't name the brands that.

690
00:56:51,717 --> 00:56:52,821
Mm-hmm.

691
00:56:52,821 --> 00:57:03,466
price is always, you know, it's, it's always so subjective to me because like, would I,
would I spend, you know, personally $15,000 on a bike?

692
00:57:03,466 --> 00:57:04,727
No, never.

693
00:57:04,727 --> 00:57:06,767
Like I just wouldn't do it.

694
00:57:06,767 --> 00:57:12,330
But at the same time, there's a lot of people that would and, and can and have no problem.

695
00:57:12,330 --> 00:57:19,761
And so, you know, you, you look at a product and you're like, okay, this is $15,000.

696
00:57:20,361 --> 00:57:25,165
Is the product developed well enough to actually justify the cost of that?

697
00:57:25,165 --> 00:57:25,906
Right.

698
00:57:25,906 --> 00:57:37,601
And I think that's where I go back to, you know, on like, don't think Pinarello is worth a
$15,000 price tag, but I think some of the Cervellos are, I think some of the giants are,

699
00:57:37,601 --> 00:57:45,192
I think some of the specialized are, I think Pinarello personally is like, they just,
they're a small boutique brand, they're super sexy.

700
00:57:45,192 --> 00:57:46,752
And they're just like, here you go.

701
00:57:46,752 --> 00:57:47,484
Here's the price.

702
00:57:47,484 --> 00:57:47,804
Right.

703
00:57:47,804 --> 00:57:49,325
ah

704
00:57:49,791 --> 00:57:56,307
But to somebody that wants a Pinarello, they're like, I want exclusivity.

705
00:57:56,307 --> 00:57:57,979
It's like Ferrari, right?

706
00:57:57,979 --> 00:58:00,090
Like I would never go buy a Ferrari in my life.

707
00:58:01,112 --> 00:58:02,161
But yeah.

708
00:58:02,161 --> 00:58:03,751
I totally hear what you're saying, Eric.

709
00:58:03,751 --> 00:58:15,435
I have many, many clients that will come to me and ask for a bike and I'll say, well,
here's what, if you need to be the person who arrives with the coolest, newest, lightest,

710
00:58:15,435 --> 00:58:18,105
fastest looking stuff, here's what you need to get.

711
00:58:18,105 --> 00:58:20,156
And if that's what you need, that's great.

712
00:58:20,156 --> 00:58:27,213
But you're not going to lose a race because you're on this, right?

713
00:58:27,213 --> 00:58:32,776
not a matter of losing or winning because it's all in your legs, in my opinion.

714
00:58:33,657 --> 00:58:47,385
But I agree here with Eric that there are brands that bring incredible value in the
technique that they put into the frame, into frame manufacturing.

715
00:58:47,385 --> 00:58:50,036
there are brands like this.

716
00:58:50,036 --> 00:58:52,607
In example, the Giant is a brand like this.

717
00:58:52,607 --> 00:58:55,811
But the perception of Giant on the market

718
00:58:55,811 --> 00:59:00,184
is not a perception of ultra premium brands.

719
00:59:00,245 --> 00:59:02,666
They don't want to be perceived like this.

720
00:59:03,568 --> 00:59:07,031
And I had a customer, I had a customer from Warsaw.

721
00:59:07,031 --> 00:59:08,802
This is a very specific city in Poland.

722
00:59:08,802 --> 00:59:09,733
It's our capital.

723
00:59:09,733 --> 00:59:15,557
uh We call it cash city because there are plenty of wealthy people there.

724
00:59:15,558 --> 00:59:17,770
And he asked me a question on bike selection.

725
00:59:17,770 --> 00:59:20,082
I will remember this for a long time.

726
00:59:20,082 --> 00:59:24,247
He asked me, please tell me with which bike

727
00:59:24,247 --> 00:59:27,027
I will impress my colleague the most.

728
00:59:27,332 --> 00:59:29,067
Price doesn't matter.

729
00:59:30,709 --> 00:59:31,822
Where'd you tell him?

730
00:59:32,189 --> 00:59:33,490
what did I tell him?

731
00:59:33,490 --> 00:59:41,236
I said, if you want a good bike, but reasonably priced, Merida or Giant.

732
00:59:41,236 --> 00:59:47,881
But if you want to impress people, first and foremost S-Works, but it's popular,
definitely.

733
00:59:48,222 --> 00:59:56,408
But if you want to impress people that are really not keen at cycling technique, buy
yourself a Factor or maybe something like this.

734
00:59:56,408 --> 01:00:00,871
Because I do not position Factor really high.

735
01:00:00,991 --> 01:00:01,801
Yeah.

736
01:00:02,422 --> 01:00:02,862
Yeah.

737
01:00:02,862 --> 01:00:08,606
mean, giant is a hundred percent the way that you, you, you describe them.

738
01:00:08,606 --> 01:00:17,221
Um, and I don't, you know, I could be completely talking out of my ass here, but I don't,
you know, there's, there's definitely like this thing where the, because they manufacture

739
01:00:17,221 --> 01:00:19,743
so many of those big bikes for them.

740
01:00:19,743 --> 01:00:25,146
And so I, I don't know if they really can be out there, right?

741
01:00:25,146 --> 01:00:26,835
There's like this weird.

742
01:00:26,835 --> 01:00:31,767
thing where there's like a handshake deal of like, I'm not going to sell this in this
market and stuff like that.

743
01:00:31,767 --> 01:00:37,770
But they've been able to kind of become the premium through KDEX.

744
01:00:39,131 --> 01:00:44,783
And because I think KDEX makes, I think they make the best wheels out there.

745
01:00:44,783 --> 01:00:53,137
Like their line of wheels, like Envy's coming up pretty close ever since they've started
to reinvest in what they're doing.

746
01:00:53,137 --> 01:00:54,227
But like,

747
01:00:54,311 --> 01:01:01,517
If I were to give a public opinion on like who has the nicest wheels out there from like a
mass scale perspective, it's 100 % KDAX.

748
01:01:01,517 --> 01:01:04,502
Like their carbon is like the best carbon I've ever seen.

749
01:01:04,544 --> 01:01:05,282
Consistent.

750
01:01:05,282 --> 01:01:08,603
We rode on the new model of KDEX in Nice.

751
01:01:08,603 --> 01:01:09,783
It was stunning.

752
01:01:09,783 --> 01:01:12,104
It was totally stunning.

753
01:01:12,104 --> 01:01:17,285
Those wheels have no downsides.

754
01:01:17,285 --> 01:01:30,598
They accelerate so quickly and they are still comfortable because the trap in the cycling
industry and in many other industries is shifting between the borders.

755
01:01:30,598 --> 01:01:32,939
You make something ultra stiff

756
01:01:32,939 --> 01:01:36,050
But you don't need to do this.

757
01:01:36,050 --> 01:01:38,431
Giant is always spot on.

758
01:01:38,431 --> 01:01:44,532
They know exactly where to place the stiffness, the compliance, how to assemble all of
this.

759
01:01:44,532 --> 01:01:48,653
Then you have the experience like with no other wheels in the market.

760
01:01:48,653 --> 01:01:57,196
I personally own a DT Swiss ARC 1100 and Vision Metron RS with carbon spokes.

761
01:01:57,196 --> 01:02:01,631
These both wheel sets are good, but in comparison to KDEX,

762
01:02:01,631 --> 01:02:03,848
Each of them have some downsides.

763
01:02:04,873 --> 01:02:05,213
Yeah.

764
01:02:05,213 --> 01:02:11,418
And everyone thinks I'm just like bought and paid for by Kdex, but at the end of the day,
it's like, no, like their wheels are awesome.

765
01:02:11,418 --> 01:02:14,019
Like they're awesome wheels.

766
01:02:14,019 --> 01:02:26,048
oh So what, what is the one thing that you would want our users to understand about you as
a, as a human being in the sport?

767
01:02:26,048 --> 01:02:28,029
Like, what are you the most passionate thing about?

768
01:02:28,029 --> 01:02:32,062
Is it, is it, is it your road gravel series that you put on?

769
01:02:32,062 --> 01:02:33,273
Is it your road team?

770
01:02:33,273 --> 01:02:33,961
Is it your

771
01:02:33,961 --> 01:02:36,765
your bike fit, is it your content creation?

772
01:02:36,765 --> 01:02:39,579
Like, what are you the most passionate about?

773
01:02:40,427 --> 01:02:48,869
em It's hard to distinguish which is the most important thing for me.

774
01:02:48,869 --> 01:02:58,871
It all circles around me as a founder, as a guy who has the energy, as a guy who is highly
respected by his colleagues and friends.

775
01:02:58,892 --> 01:03:00,492
Highly respected.

776
01:03:00,652 --> 01:03:03,412
I don't speak, I'm not talkative.

777
01:03:03,533 --> 01:03:05,103
We've been together in France.

778
01:03:05,103 --> 01:03:07,214
You may confirm it, I think.

779
01:03:07,214 --> 01:03:09,744
I do not steal the show.

780
01:03:09,842 --> 01:03:19,206
I prefer to listen to discuss with somebody, but I will not force my opinion over other
heads or over the feelings of other persons.

781
01:03:19,206 --> 01:03:24,108
And that's appreciated by my friends.

782
01:03:25,148 --> 01:03:39,074
I would say that if you want to go into content creation in general, or you want to do
something and it does not bring you pleasure or your main motivation or money, leave it.

783
01:03:40,434 --> 01:03:41,375
Leave it.

784
01:03:42,219 --> 01:03:43,681
Money will come.

785
01:03:44,024 --> 01:03:45,047
That's obvious.

786
01:03:45,047 --> 01:03:48,184
But if your main motivation is money, leave it.

787
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,312
I love cycling since I was a kid.

788
01:03:53,552 --> 01:03:59,916
When I had an MTB bike and I was 14 years old in the 90s in Poland, there were no law
restrictions.

789
01:03:59,916 --> 01:04:02,657
You can do on your MTB bike, wherever you want it.

790
01:04:02,657 --> 01:04:07,260
I traveled with a bus to the mountains, 50 kilometers south from my home.

791
01:04:07,260 --> 01:04:08,841
I jumped out of the bus.

792
01:04:08,841 --> 01:04:13,353
I climbed to the highest mountain, went back and go back home.

793
01:04:13,353 --> 01:04:14,464
I love it.

794
01:04:15,225 --> 01:04:17,893
All the memories that I have with cycling.

795
01:04:17,893 --> 01:04:27,098
are very pleasant moment, very pleasant people, very positive people because athletes are
generally positive due to many things.

796
01:04:27,098 --> 01:04:28,389
They are not so stressed.

797
01:04:28,389 --> 01:04:32,761
They are really uh very nice persons in general.

798
01:04:33,502 --> 01:04:38,504
if you if why did I build that the race cycle also?

799
01:04:38,504 --> 01:04:44,007
What was one of the reasons to meet with my colleagues regularly on dinners?

800
01:04:44,788 --> 01:04:45,638
Why?

801
01:04:45,756 --> 01:04:54,563
Because it's so pleasant to be amongst the people that you like, that like you, that
accept you, that you share your passion, that you do something together, that you plan

802
01:04:54,563 --> 01:04:55,964
something together.

803
01:04:55,964 --> 01:05:06,292
With the road racing, I'm also involving our wives and girls that are your friends, yes,
when you are younger, not a wife yet.

804
01:05:06,413 --> 01:05:07,013
Why?

805
01:05:07,013 --> 01:05:10,096
Because they have to approve this what we do.

806
01:05:10,096 --> 01:05:15,524
So twice a year, we meet in a large group, 50 people or more.

807
01:05:15,524 --> 01:05:21,199
in a hotel, we invite our wives, then they see, okay, your friends are very valuable.

808
01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:24,693
This one is a lawyer, this one is an architect, they all cycle.

809
01:05:24,693 --> 01:05:26,414
It's super, it's super cool.

810
01:05:26,414 --> 01:05:28,776
You can go with them wherever you want.

811
01:05:29,557 --> 01:05:30,858
And this is my strategy.

812
01:05:30,858 --> 01:05:31,458
Yeah.

813
01:05:31,458 --> 01:05:33,040
And this is my strategy.

814
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:41,158
My wife, yeah, a kind of a strategy because if your wife will struggle with your passion,
it will not be a good deal.

815
01:05:41,158 --> 01:05:41,871
Yeah.

816
01:05:41,871 --> 01:05:43,293
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

817
01:05:43,293 --> 01:05:44,375
Happy wife, happy life.

818
01:05:44,375 --> 01:05:46,785
Yeah.

819
01:05:46,785 --> 01:05:54,230
I heard this for the first time when I was in Prague and by Atlas Copco some kind of
training led by American trainer.

820
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:57,572
Then he said happy life, happy wife, happy life.

821
01:05:57,858 --> 01:05:59,238
such a true statement though.

822
01:05:59,238 --> 01:06:10,643
Like anytime, if my wife likes, if my wife knows the person and likes the person that I am
spending time with, then it's, it's usually not a problem.

823
01:06:10,643 --> 01:06:15,395
Like even if it's like a phone call at like nine o'clock at night, I'll be like, Oh, it's
Kevin.

824
01:06:15,395 --> 01:06:16,185
got to answer this.

825
01:06:16,185 --> 01:06:17,586
And she'll be like, that's fine.

826
01:06:17,586 --> 01:06:21,307
But if it's somebody else and she doesn't like him, she's like, why are you answering the
phone?

827
01:06:21,307 --> 01:06:23,528
So it's yeah.

828
01:06:23,848 --> 01:06:24,449
Yeah.

829
01:06:24,449 --> 01:06:26,089
So it's very true.

830
01:06:26,366 --> 01:06:27,112
And yeah.

831
01:06:27,112 --> 01:06:32,024
that you cannot pull to the people some wrong energy.

832
01:06:32,024 --> 01:06:35,865
If you are spreading good energy, you will also take it back.

833
01:06:38,246 --> 01:06:43,358
okay, I simply like to do this.

834
01:06:43,358 --> 01:06:46,949
I'm good at also at time management, at people management.

835
01:06:46,949 --> 01:06:51,270
I know how to handle all this and we are successful in a way.

836
01:06:51,726 --> 01:06:57,970
And I'm responsible also for all of this because this is the downside, but you are
responsible as a leader.

837
01:06:58,391 --> 01:07:00,893
But I enjoy it a lot.

838
01:07:00,893 --> 01:07:06,257
I have lots of pleasure also with meeting with my viewers all over the world.

839
01:07:06,257 --> 01:07:11,280
Even when I'm at the airport in Tenerife, some guys come to me from Poland, of course.

840
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,011
Hi Bartosz, how are you?

841
01:07:13,011 --> 01:07:14,942
Can I take a photo with you?

842
01:07:15,483 --> 01:07:17,144
It's a pleasure for me.

843
01:07:17,144 --> 01:07:19,790
I will never run away from my viewers.

844
01:07:19,790 --> 01:07:29,595
because I'm still a normal dude, which I think is also beneficial for myself because I
don't want to change myself.

845
01:07:29,595 --> 01:07:31,556
I like working hard.

846
01:07:31,596 --> 01:07:35,678
I like working a lot, but I also would like to see the effects of my work.

847
01:07:36,492 --> 01:07:37,342
Yeah.

848
01:07:38,363 --> 01:07:42,187
Well, Bartosz, I really appreciate you taking the time.

849
01:07:42,187 --> 01:07:52,294
think this has just been an amazing, amazing hour in a bit to just get to know you and
share your passion um and keep up the great work.

850
01:07:52,294 --> 01:08:02,402
And we'll look forward to seeing you at some point, I'm sure, either at media events or
road racing events around the world and keep up the great work.

851
01:08:02,487 --> 01:08:14,227
Yeah, I even thought what I can do for you because this meeting for me was so as I told
you at the early beginning that it's like I am a movie fan and one once upon a time Robert

852
01:08:14,227 --> 01:08:17,500
De Niro and Al Pacino are inviting me for a podcast.

853
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:21,562
You even don't know how important this moment is in my life.

854
01:08:21,743 --> 01:08:26,887
I appreciate you a lot as a group of people.

855
01:08:26,887 --> 01:08:29,079
A slow Twitch forum.

856
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:31,701
All these things are very positive.

857
01:08:32,148 --> 01:08:44,750
and I even thought what I can do for you here in Poland maybe I can do some video and
transfer it to you for your channel from some Iron Man uh event then you will see how does

858
01:08:44,750 --> 01:08:52,785
this look in Poland we can think about it you will have a reporter in Poland uh

859
01:08:52,785 --> 01:08:52,934
Yeah.

860
01:08:52,934 --> 01:08:53,504
Yeah.

861
01:08:53,504 --> 01:08:54,455
Be careful.

862
01:08:54,455 --> 01:08:56,888
Be careful what you what you say to Eric.

863
01:08:56,888 --> 01:09:02,420
You might be finding yourself doing doing coverage at an Iron Man event sometime.

864
01:09:02,420 --> 01:09:06,505
be editing Polish English in written language.

865
01:09:06,526 --> 01:09:16,926
Now we have, I was recording a video with Tudor pro cycling athletes and we were speaking
partly in English, partly in Polish.

866
01:09:16,926 --> 01:09:21,186
Now these are all these AI tools, it's a few seconds and you have the translation.

867
01:09:21,186 --> 01:09:25,886
So it's not an issue, any kind of issue these days.

868
01:09:26,786 --> 01:09:31,406
But the triathlon in Poland, just as a last word, is really huge.

869
01:09:32,266 --> 01:09:35,029
Those events are highly professional.

870
01:09:35,029 --> 01:09:38,067
They are much bigger than cycling keyboards, I must admit.

871
01:09:38,572 --> 01:09:46,024
Yeah, yeah, no, it's a lot lots of stuff going on in Poland and obviously lots going on in
that cycling world.

872
01:09:46,024 --> 01:09:47,114
Thanks to you Bartosz.

873
01:09:47,114 --> 01:09:51,966
So This has been our slow twitch podcast.

874
01:09:51,966 --> 01:10:00,008
He's Eric when I'm Kevin McKinnon and we've had a wonderful chat with Bartosz Kasprich I
have no idea if I'm even close on that one.

875
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But anyway, he's been a wonderful person to chat with and we will look forward to catching
up with you again here at slow twitch very soon

876
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with pleasure.